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Cross-Gender Conversational Styles

So far, none of the men I've spoken to believe me when I point out that women don't talk more than them and that we don't interrupt them with our "banter."

    Seriously we don't, (that often).

    According to a study conducted by psychologist Don Zimmerman and sociologist Candace West in their "Sex Roles, Interruptions and Silences in Conversation," study.

    "…males interrupt females far more often than they interrupt other males - and much more often than females interrupt either sex."

    In fact, "in mixed-sex conversations, men 'hold the floor' more of the time than women, even when the women have higher status…" (pg. 210)

    Deborah Tannan, a sociolinguists in the 1990s, did a study where she recorded two-and-a-half hours of conversation, noting that, "…men often do dominate their conversations with women by interrupting."

    Dominating conversations doesn't stop at interrupting, even "stony silence," is a pass for this. How? She gives an example:

    "…she cit[es] a dialogue between a husband and wife in Erica Jong's novel, Fear of Flying. Bennett, the man, remains stonily silent, while with mounting misery his wife Isadora begs him to tell her what she has done wrong. When he finally tries to leave the room, the scene 'ends with her literally lowered to the floor, clinging to his pajama leg. But the reason his silence is an effective weapon is her insistence that he tell her what's wrong. If she receded into silence, leaving the room or refusing to talk to him, his silence would be disarmed." (pg. 211)

    This obviously, can be dismissed as an exaggeration. It is, after all, a reference taken from a fictional account but also points out something that rings true: How interactions are defined by the participation of all parties involved. For starters, patterns of speaking and conversation styles taken on by most women usually contain "frequent use of qualifiers or hedges that decrease the assertiveness in the statement," we also use what linguists Robin Lakoff calls: "empty" adjectives - adjectives that do not have connotations of power.

    Other assessments show that it IS typically women who 'hold onto' men, in a very figurative way, when we converse with them. We are usually the one's that try to keep the conversation going.

    Pamela Fisherman, a sociolinguists who analyzed 52 hours of couples amongst themselves, concluded that women "work harder" to keep conversations flowing. In our attempts to do so, we are more likely to use tag questions (e.i: "phrases that can be used to obligate one's partner to reply"), we give encouragement to continue a conversation and force interests more often to ensure the man knows we are being attentive.

    In those moment when we DO initiate a conversation on a particular topic, they fail 64% of the time. In comparison to the men on the tapes whose topics successfully carried 96% of the time. This means that, "women had to keep bringing up new subjects all the time and mostly they fell flat." (pg. 209)

    The most notable way that men killed conversations was something as trivial, as minimal, as saying, "Um," when the woman had finished speaking. The woman's response? They "pursued whatever subject the men seemed willing to talk about." (pg. 210)

    What does this all come down too? It confirms a few things. 1) In mix-gender conversations, women typically, put the concerns and interests of men first. 2) In mix-gender conversations, women still come across as less assertive and even, less convincing. ("studies have shown that the tentative style that women often use makes any speaker seem less convincing and believable," and this becomes an issue when it trickles into work place perceptions, adding another layer to the glass ceiling: "Women [who] were not convincingly powerful in their style of speaking…were not put into positions where they must present themselves powerfully.") 3) Men interrupt women more in conversations and all-in-all, dominate these conversations. In one way by the conditioned leeway women usually give them (e.i: we are expected and trained to be more polite and thoughtful of the feelings of others, this slips into conversation style as well. Lakoff specifies that we use "overly proper grammar and excessively polite speech," most of the time). At the opposite end of the spectrum, men are more likely to cut off women through socialized feelings of entitlement a.k.a, a manifestation of male privilege.

    [The trippy thing about "privilege" is that many privileged people cannot identify it until it is pointed out to them and when it is, it is usually met with hostility because their power and the cultural advantages the society gives them is being attacked. In context of these studies, it has to do with how the opinions of men are more valued, thus most men grow to internalize these beliefs and this is externalized through putting their views above that of women's].

    For the guys: You may not notice you're doing it, but try to get in-tuned to how often you talk compared to how often the women in your life talk when they are conversing with you. Whose topics carry on the longest? Who interrupts who the most? Do you give unwarranted encouragement through verbal cues or body language? (e.g: nodding your head, giving "ahuhs" or throwing in tag questions). When awkward silence enters the conversation, whose the first to break it?

    Experiences will differ from person-to-person. But all these studies, from the Fisherman and Tannen's tapes to Lakoff and Kramarae's observations (Dr. Cheris Kramarae pointed out that these speech patterns are also cross-cultural), there should be a gender-specific pattern to the conversation styles.

    But at the end of the day: No, we do not talk more than you when we are talking with you.
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    Spencer, Metta et al. Foundations of Modern Sociology: Seventh Edition. "Gender Roles." Prentice-Hall Canada Inc., 1996. (pg. 209-211)
:iconfortheloveofsatire:
This was a short for a sociological, post-gender feminist blog I run. Post-gender as in, I do not support gender roles/gender constructs. I'm passed that. Feminist, as in I analyze power-dynamics between men and women in society within a patriarchal context and believe that women are equal to men

And yes, I am aware that the idea of gender equity is a pretty subjective and an abstract concept all on its own. Some believe it is about biological sameness (which can only happen in a transhumanist, post-[biological] sex society. Which is far from us and currently the stuff of sci-fi), others think it has more has to do with a socio-cultural, economic and political aspect. I more emphasize the latter.

Hope some of you might find this informative or at least interesting - even if you disagree with it.

I also give permission for it to be linked to (outside of DeviantArt) and referenced too. [I have been asked this question before, so I'd prefer getting it out of the way...]

In another posts, I will break down the concept of "male privilege," or just "privilege" in general more thoroughly. The idea in and of itself some people might find offensively and I'd just like to clarify in advance that it doesn't mean all men are misogynists. It more has to do with gender roles, the stereotypes that follow us based on our gender and how that affects how people interact with us, how we may or may not view ourselves and how we interact with others.

Okay. I'm done now. ;)
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:iconwingsofchaos:
Most of the women I know don't interrupt me very much when I'm the one talking, with two unfortunate exceptions. But when they get to talking I can't even get a word in to agree or disagree with them.

Saying "um"? Really? That's just a sound people make when they're trying to think of what to say next. It's a bit unfair to take that as a sign that one doesn't want to talk...

Stony silence? Maybe he just doesn't want to say anything. though your prescribed course of action is correct there. If he doesn't want to talk then he got that, and if he's doing it to be an ass then he'll stop being an ass, so hey everybody wins.

Point being women do look for hidden meanings in everything people say.

That seems like it could be another aspect of that whole "being taught to consider everyone's feelings" thing you were talking about, actually.

I'm not sure that any men other than the ones on the very top of society can be considered privileged. Most of them sit up there laughing at how the rest of us squabble. They want to control everyone, not just women.
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:iconarynchris:
Interesting. I'm not a social person among either gender-- so I don't talk that much either way, in person-- but I've actually noticed this specifically in text messaging. There are exceptions, certainly... in a relationship, sometimes it's one person in the 'female' role conversationally, regardless of gender, and this could be dubbed clingy behavior... and there are some women who just talk less and some guys who just talk more. But in general, I've noticed that if I'm chatting with a guy, I'm the one trying to bring out the conversation, or if not the initiator, I'm the one trying to keep it going. Usually by guessing at topics and then seeing what gets a reply, or else bringing up a topic that will always get a reply from the particular person.
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!YourDAMOCLES Sep 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I am not going to take any sides, because I don't believe that either sexes talks more than the other, but that in all groups belongs their assholes, no matter the gender.
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:icongoblinprincess:
Another interesting essay. Some of your works adress issues that I would have never thought about by myself.

By the way, when you are referenced, is 'ForTheLoveofSatire in deviantArt.com' enough or do you prefer to be identified in a different way?
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:iconwitchvine:
Excellent! And very true. On a dating site I belong to, I can hold conversations with men quite well online, but one of the men ended up dominating the entire conversation when we met in person. My Nana told me she often had the experience of being interrupted in conversation. Once she was having a pretty good discussion with some man when another butted in and the first thereupon completely forgot that he had been having a conversation with her. That was until my Nana pointed out the rudeness of the second man because she was awesome like that lol. Oh! And then there was the friend of my stepgrandmother's who was completely ignored by her male co-workers...until she brought in a large dildo saying, "Now that we all have one, may we please continue?"
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!YourDAMOCLES Sep 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
LOL!

It's sad though...
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~Kiteyu-Minorii Jun 19, 2012  Student General Artist
Lmao. Your stepgrandmother is awesome.
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*footinadream Jun 5, 2012  Student General Artist
i agree that a lot of gender roles are socially constructed. Very interesting article! I learned in my psychology class that one of the only genetic psychological characteristics of women that can be positively identified is that we are more in-tune as far as communicating is concerned, we are just better at it? that disposition combined with our society's gender roles creates this I suppose. but anyways, ya, great article :)
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!YourDAMOCLES Sep 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm ready to destroy that view on gender as well, I was unable to speak my mind for a very, very, very long time, nor showing any kind of emotions. While I've also met guys that can speak quite easily about their emotions. Molds sickens me. I,m not attacking you in any way, simply the stereotypes and molds.
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*footinadream Sep 2, 2012  Student General Artist
right, i agree. i think it actually attests to the diversity within each gender that scientists are only able to nail down one vague attribute.
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